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Re: NEON- Sintering and burning

Ed wrote:
>The sintering process I was refering to is just that. Baking the coated
>glass to bind the coating to the wall
>of the glass tube and remove any trace of the binder itself. I am pretty
>sure that if the glass is not
>outgassed in the oven it will take the bombarding procedure as oppurtunity
>to further outgas and/or sinter.

I imagine after oven baking, it's unlikely that further outgassing or
sintering needs to take place, right?  They sure pump "clean."
Reply from dirk:
Dear Tom, DADDY is proud of you and reading your replies I am more then happy
that you did the track to Rotterdam.

>Indeed I am implying and that precoated neon glasswork will bomb much
>better if >baked the evening before bombing. I have done this many times
>in Holland >>>>
He, come on mister Ed Dezuzio, you never did that in Holland, as you were
working in our province Sealand and that is only a part of the Royal Kingdom
of the Netherlands.

and >the results are amazing. I'd bet the cow, not the whole
>farm, that this >procedure makes a much cleaner tube.>>>
Unneccesary to reply to the above. (DAB)

If you won't, I bet Dirk will bet the farm, maybe the whole country. ;-)
And the results do speak for themselves.  In my experience, I've not seen
cleaner, brighter (for longer periods of time, too) looking tubes than some
of the Dutch neon. (Insert photo of Dirk grinning like a proud father,
here.) ((LOVE YOU TOM))

>Once the tube is baked the only other potential moisture and contaminents
>come >from attaching the electrodes and condensation. Compared to the
>moisture from >bending these are minimal. If are are fortunate enough to
>know the Dutch >Technique you can easily see the advantage of baking any
>neon glasswork prior >to bombing.
>
>In the future of my company one goal is to employ an oven. At this point I
>>think I would still use pre coated tubes,>>>
Reply from dirk: nothing wrong with that, good system. Use your own well
known technique, but improve it by outgassing it, baking it, and anneal it
in a oven overnight. (sorry guys I still cannot write overnite) 


I would rinse them with
>distilled >water after bending,>>
Why? is dirk asking you. I do not think that that is neccessay unless you
eat every day chinees food.

So, you would do baking prior to electroding.  I guess it would allow more
contaminants to escape the unit if baked before electroding.  Could
"standard" electrodes hold up to this, though, if you wanted to do it after
or doesn't that make any sense?>>>
Come on bake them out before electroding of course, otherwise there is no
air circulation through the tube.

  Is the only way to do bake
post-electroding to have an oven pumping system?  I'm wondering this as I
saw the shop that does the oven pumping doing it, obviously w/ the 'trodes
on and I'm wondering if completed units could be baked, then electrocuted,
er, bombarded.

Tom U.

He Tom, that was ovenpumping! Then the trodes are on of course. Do you 
remeber the first oven, the one the most to the entrance? All units were
baked out without the trodes in that oven. When they had to do a quick
repair or a cheap job the units were only baked out and annealed in that
oven and lateron pumped and processed by the ordinary conventional bom-
barding system. Do you remember now? You were here!
Reading your replies Tom, I must say that nearly all your describtions 
are extremely good and weel formulated. But sometimes I think 14 days,
my god what is 14 days to see it all and to learn it all. 14 days is not
enough, especcially not when I am driving you to all places who are of
interest. So I think we can give it a follow up, maybe next year. Don't
you think that 3 weeks can do the job better, especially when I drag you
to fortresses, castles or waterways more then we did last time.
He Tom, good replies and good remarks.
dirk.