>> a meat grinder on 5mm tubes. It works!!! I did it. << You would! Reminds me of a "piece" I once thought of doing where you put a hand crank meat grinder on a small wagon and proceed to grind anything in sight. Of course, you would video tape it and pawn it off as an "event" or "happening". E-mail from: Tom Biebel, 29-Feb-1996